Report: 2024 Gladiator Reveal @ NAIAS in Sept | Production Begins November | Gladiator 4xe PHEV Replacing Diesel

[P.Lo]

There's a sucker born every minute!
* P.T. Barnum

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[j.o.y.ride]

We just picked up a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk 4xe. Awesome fantastic ride.

0% ever taking this drivetrain in the Gladiator. Happy with it in the JGC. Would never consider in the Gladiator.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

I don't doubt you. Why do they list recommended fuel as premium in their specs then?

Premium for the 2.0 Wranglers, regular for the 4xe.
that's because the 4xe doesn't work that 2.0 nearly as hard and it doesn't run as hot in a 4xe.
There's differences in the specs and owner's manual.
They also suggest in places that premium be used in heat or towing, otherwise regular is fine.

Don't compare the 2.0 in a 4xe to the 2.0 in a non-4xe Wrangler.
The 4xe Wrangler will blow your socks off even just in hybrid mode.

Leave it in 4HA and it will not limit torque - it'll give you all it's got and hold back nothing.
My wife's JLU finally went into FORM mode. I had to explain to her what that was.
Yesterday she was asking more details as she was driving us home from a big family party -
I said - you still have 2/3 a tank of gas, the last time gas was put in it was May 19th, OVER 2 months ago, and you've gone 500 miles since then......... you gotta use that gas or it will go stale and it knows that.

 

[Andy@AAV]

I’m very interested in a ‘24 Gladiator 4xe. I’ve been very happy with my Wrangler 4xe so far (1 year, 15k miles) but miss having a truck. Unless they surprise us with a 392 gladiator of course

 

[chorky]

I really like this idea of a hybrid JT. But Jeep really must include some important aspects for it (to me) be a viable option. Same capabilities as the Rubicon (lockers). Same or more payload capacity (wondering what the spec of their full floater will be). And the ability to tie into the battery system. AND it MUST work perfectly in 9 months of sub -20 degree weather. Otherwise, it is totally useless. Brad at TrailRecon did a preview where Jeep came up with a plug-in option for 4 110v outlets. But the only way to use that was to plug into the charge port. That's neat. but what we really need is a way to tap into it (like a big positive and negative buss bar) for our own electronics and wiring of things like fridge, camp lights, etc... Having to haul that thing around and only have 110v outlets is a great idea with poor execution. Looking forward to what comes next though - it might have me wanting to trade in....

 

[ShadowsPapa]

And the ability to tie into the battery system.

Ain't gonna happen. You don't touch that 400 volt system under any conditions.
Jeep may add accessories that tie into it, but for jeep to allow anyone else to add accessories to it will be unlikely. It's such a risk that Jeep even has techs disable, switch off, the whole high voltage system just to do certain maintenance on a 4xe.
Whatever is done by Jeep will also have to have built-in shut-downs so when the HV batteries reach a certain point the accessory is shut down. No allowing it to drain below a certain point - kills the HV battery life.
The electronics in a 4xe protect how the HV batteries charge and discharge - the speed of charging is tightly controlled as well as the amount of discharge.
The 12v battery is charged by the HV batteries but only under certain conditions.

but what we really need is a way to tap into it (like a big positive and negative buss bar) for our own electronics and wiring of things like fridge, camp lights, etc...

LOL - you'll never see that. You want to be messing with 400 volts? And bypass the safeties and possibly ruin many hundreds of dollars worth of batteries?
I can't imagine any company making any EVs that would ever be so dumb as to let a consumer directly touch the HV batteries. They can literally kill you. And some idiot would light up a park tying things into that system.
Don't ever expect to see that knowing what I know about the 4xe.
People burn down their gassers doing stupid wiring tricks as it is, turn them loose with 400 volts at the amperage capabilities these have? Dreaming.
someone would run those batteries down then bitch when they had to replace them.
Sorry, any company that allows such a thing deserves to go out of business.

 

[chorky]

Pricing and the configuration are up!
Base price starts at just over $71K and nicely configured about $79K

Sounds like to Country Club / Polo crowd…


https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/us/the-vehicle/vehicle-configurator

But then again…if the Wrangler with the AEV package is over $100K than who am I to say….

Ain't gonna happen. You don't touch that 400 volt system under any conditions.
Jeep may add accessories that tie into it, but for jeep to allow anyone else to add accessories to it will be unlikely. It's such a risk that Jeep even has techs disable, switch off, the whole high voltage system just to do certain maintenance on a 4xe.
Whatever is done by Jeep will also have to have built-in shut-downs so when the HV batteries reach a certain point the accessory is shut down. No allowing it to drain below a certain point - kills the HV battery life.
The electronics in a 4xe protect how the HV batteries charge and discharge - the speed of charging is tightly controlled as well as the amount of discharge.
The 12v battery is charged by the HV batteries but only under certain conditions.


LOL - you'll never see that. You want to be messing with 400 volts? And bypass the safeties and possibly ruin many hundreds of dollars worth of batteries?
I can't imagine any company making any EVs that would ever be so dumb as to let a consumer directly touch the HV batteries. They can literally kill you. And some idiot would light up a park tying things into that system.
Don't ever expect to see that knowing what I know about the 4xe.
People burn down their gassers doing stupid wiring tricks as it is, turn them loose with 400 volts at the amperage capabilities these have? Dreaming.
someone would run those batteries down then bitch when they had to replace them.
Sorry, any company that allows such a thing deserves to go out of business.

400 volts is not scary unless you know nothing about electrical systems. I would have no problem working with it. So like I said, unless that is an option, then it will be a useless powertrain option for those of us who would utilize it - except for those living in the city I guess. But for me? it would be completely pointless unless I could take advantage of that battery bank. And thats pretty ignorant of you to say "any company that allows such a thing to go out of business". Makes you sound like a control freak. Like it or not it does. I think any company that does allow such a thing is innovative and listening to and understanding their customers. But I guess it's the spoon that made people fat right?

 

[bleda2002]

I really like this idea of a hybrid JT. But Jeep really must include some important aspects for it (to me) be a viable option. Same capabilities as the Rubicon (lockers). Same or more payload capacity (wondering what the spec of their full floater will be). And the ability to tie into the battery system. AND it MUST work perfectly in 9 months of sub -20 degree weather. Otherwise, it is totally useless. Brad at TrailRecon did a preview where Jeep came up with a plug-in option for 4 110v outlets. But the only way to use that was to plug into the charge port. That's neat. but what we really need is a way to tap into it (like a big positive and negative buss bar) for our own electronics and wiring of things like fridge, camp lights, etc... Having to haul that thing around and only have 110v outlets is a great idea with poor execution. Looking forward to what comes next though - it might have me wanting to trade in....

No chance they'll let you tie in to the high voltage battery directly like that. The chance of shorting something out and causing major damage/issues would be way too high and dangerous. The high voltage battery is a 400v system

 

[Uparms]

I think Shad Papa has some good points but I alos think CHORKY does too. If it does not happen right away, I think CHORKY is right, manufactures will hear ( and respond) form users that want to connect to the main batteries.

Probably a different angle technically but what about the Ford E F150 Lightning running a guys house off the battery?? Similar concept??

Both good points above!!

Ride Safe!

 

[ShadowsPapa]

400 volts is not scary unless you know nothing about electrical systems. I would have no problem working with it. So like I said, unless that is an option,

Yeah, but you are one out of tens of thousands. Imagine someone saying "hey, I added an outlet in my garage, bring it on (and that outlet in his garage is all wrong)...........
You have to build for the lowest common denominator and using yourself as the template ain't gonna fly. It would be bad for first responders/fire/rescue to have such things wired god only knows!
You say you could do it - but what about all of the others? You want Jeep to make a one of a kind vehicle to please you?

manufactures will hear ( and respond) form users that want to connect to the main batteries.

There's no way any manufacturer will allow direct connection. It simply can't happen. They must control how low and how high and fast the charge is.
Seriously, a direct to battery will never happen.
I can see allowing inverters to operate off the main batteries but there will be controls. They can't possibly allow direct connects and still warrant that HV system for 8/80.
Use of those batteries for other purposes, done incorrectly, will drastically shorten their life-span. What I'd imagine them doing if they even allowed filtered access is a diminished warranty on the HV systems. Want an inverter, want to run other stuff off it, fine, then you give up some battery warranty.
And of course if you want to drive a PHEV like the 4xe out into the sticks then use the HV batteries, you will need to run in E-save mode to get there otherwise you'll be drawing the batteries down so far you take out hybrid mode and run gas only. That's another reason they'll have to restrict access and control how far you can draw down the batteries. The 4xe even as it stands will never let the batteries get down below something like 15% (I'd have to check my notes on that)
So if you are using it in hybrid mode and have the batteries already down as far as allowed, you'll be done as far as inverter use.

And thats pretty ignorant of you to say "any company that allows such a thing to go out of business". Makes you sound like a control freak. Like it or not it does.

I guess I know more about these than you do................it's not ignorant, it's how it is. You may think you have special powers and needs, but they must keep safety in mind, and owners need to keep in mind those batteries are part of a whole system.
Nothing control freak about it. But apparently you believe you know more about hybrids than FCA does.
Any company that allows direct access to the 400v system is in for mega law suits!
And not to mention the risks it poses to fire/rescue and such. These can be dangerous enough as it is, but to allow consumers any access? Holy cow. First time one of those people is injured or killed because some owner wasn't afraid and knew better than FCA...............

400 volts is not scary unless you know nothing about electrical systems. I would have no problem working with it

Really? Even electricians wouldn't say that. I've never heard anyone who is a professional electrician say anything even close to that. They want it OFF and they are always concerned.

 

[mav204]

Anyone have a date for the press event? September 13 or 14?

 

[Mr._Bill]

I think Shad Papa has some good points but I alos think CHORKY does too. If it does not happen right away, I think CHORKY is right, manufactures will hear ( and respond) form users that want to connect to the main batteries.

Probably a different angle technically but what about the Ford E F150 Lightning running a guys house off the battery?? Similar concept??

Both good points above!!

Ride Safe!

The access to the HV Battery on an EV is through the charging port. The standards for and function of the port have been updated over the years to allow flow out for use and not just flow in for charging. You need the correct devices to access it, and a charging system that allows it. Use of the port is available only when parked.

 

[ShadowsPapa]

The access to the HV Battery on an EV is through the charging port. The standards for and function of the port have been updated over the years to allow flow out for use and not just flow in for charging. You need the correct devices to access it, and a charging system that allows it. Use of the port is available only when parked.

The contacts or pins there are normally dead. Nothing. No connection to the battery when at rest. You have to "talk to" the system to get it to allow access. Then it goes through a series of handshakes, agrees on some things, relays kick in the vehicle and it allows connection to the charger. If something goes wrong, it denies access. Smart system.

The 400v batteries are not connected to that port directly.

The charging port would be the smart way to access those batteries for use while doing other stuff. They have to maintain some sort of control over the access. Those who suggest not aren't understanding the whole picture - almost like "they owe me that".
Even though it's said AC current is more dangerous, the "let go" threshold is much higher for DC as the muscle contraction is continuous. AC causes multiple fast contractions, more harmful to the muscles but easier to let go of. DC isn't safe.

You aren't going to be able to drive away with something connected in. My wife has wondered about "forgetting" and I just tell her -don't worry about it, you won't.

One demanding direct access doesn't trump my thinking about the other people, especially in accidents and fires. Gotta see the whole picture. Nothing control freak about that, it's pure logic.
There's also a reason electricians need training and licensing. Yet anyone who buys a Jeep should be allowed direct access to a live 400 VDC system with all of the complex controls and systems attached.

 

[flsupraguy]

There's a sucker born every minute!
* P.T. Barnum

PT Barnum actually said there's a customer born every minute.......

 

[P.Lo]

PT Barnum actually said there's a customer born every minute.......

? I bet you're real fun at parties.

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